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I support the FSFE because it's totally worth it. Its community is strong and very knowledgeable on a wide range of topics, so contributing to its mission is a good way to help the Free Software movement.
</text>
<watch link="interviews/lequertier.html#video-30s-vincent">
Watch our short interview with Vincent
</watch>
<read link="interviews/lequertier.html#interview">
Read our short interview with Vincent
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Software is becoming more and more a fabric which permeates our society. We are more and more unaware of the ways in which it influences, sometimes forces our decisions. That's why software freedom concerns fundamentally and very concretely our society. That's why I am convinced that groups like the FSFE are vital for the evolution of a free society.
</text>
<watch link="interviews/zerolo.html#video-30s-tomas">
Watch our short interview with Tomás
</watch>
<read link="interviews/zerolo.html#interview">
Read our short interview with Tomás
</read>
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Think about these claims: <br />
"It's better if we control how you may or may not use your tools." <br />
"It's better if you don't know how your tools work." <br />
"It's better if we forbid you to share your tools." <br />
"It's better if you are not allowed to improve your tools." <br />
"It's better if we control how you may or may not use your tools." <br />
"It's better if you don't know how your tools work." <br />
"It's better if we forbid you to share your tools." <br />
"It's better if you are not allowed to improve your tools." <br />
If you find those as absurd as I do, you understand why I'm a Free Software activist.
</text>
<watch link="interviews/bernhard.html#video-30s-bernhard">
Watch our short interview with Bernhard
</watch>
<read link="interviews/weitzhofer.html#interview">
Read our short interview with Bernhard
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Erik Grun (Economy student)
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Free Software has many practical advantages
for businesses, education and the public sector,
but most importantly it should be considered as a human right.
I became a supporter of the FSFE to help
make that point - why Free Software is so important
for a lively democratic society and for every one of us.
Free Software has many practical advantages for businesses, education and the public sector, but most importantly it should be considered as a human right. I became a supporter of the FSFE to help make that point - why Free Software is so important for a lively democratic society and for every one of us.
</text>
<read link="interviews/grun.html#interview">
Read our short interview with Erik
</read>
</quote>
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The most fun part about engaging for FSFE is meeting real people and exchanging substantial information about relevant issues. These can be anything from rooting your cell phone, to learning Git, to understanding Free Software based business, to speaking up for the use of open standards in public organisations.
</text>
</quote>
<watch link="interviews/ockers.html#video-30s-andre">
Watch our short interview with André
</watch>
<read link="interviews/ockers.html#interview">
Read our short interview with André
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In a world where software influences virtually every single aspect of our
lives, Free Software is a precondition for a free society.
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<read link="interviews/mueller.html#interview">
Read our short interview with Reinhard
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I love the welcoming culture at the FSFE. It feels good to be able to actively work for Free Software in such an unbureaucratic way.
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<read link="interviews/snow.html#interview">
Read our short interview with Florian
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<name>
Olga Gkotsopoulou (Research Associate)
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<text>
What is the biggest benefit of Free Software? Freedom!
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<read link="interviews/gkotsopoulou.html#interview">
Read our short interview with Olga
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<title>Olga Gkotsopoulou</title>
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<sidebar promo="support"/>

<body class="bio interview">

<p id="category"><a href="../testimonials.html">Testimonials</a></p>

<h1>Olga Gkotsopoulou</h1>

<p>This page is part of a series of interviews with FSFE supporters and friends to help give a face to our community.
Get an overview about our interviews on the <a href="../testimonials.html">testimonials</a> page</p>

<blockquote>
<div class="with-image-right">
<img class="img-circle" src="/picturebase/people/2018-olga-gkotsopoulou-283px.jpg" alt="Olga"/>
<p>
"Hi, I am Olga Gkotsopoulou, LSTS Research associate in Vrije Universiteit Brussel. Since the beginning of my university studies in 2008, I have been volunteering and working in Greece and abroad, serving a diverse spectrum of causes, always promoting human rights and digital freedoms."
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>


<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with Olga (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to become a supporter?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>Olga:</strong>
Working with topics of data protection, I started searching for technological alternatives which are friendly towards users' rights and thus, I started participating in the activities of the Greek Free/Open Source Software Society-Open Technologies Alliance (GFOSS), learning more and more about the history of the movement and the contribution of Free Software projects and their communities to digital rights. Soon I became familiar with the exceptional campaigning, policy and legal work of the FSFE. When I saw the call for trainees, I thought to myself that there cannot be a better opportunity to learn about the policy and legal work around Free Software in Europe and I applied with the hope to be selected.
</p>

</div>

<p class="question">What tasks did you have or what work did you do as an intern for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">
I interned with FSFE in 2016-2017. I helped with the composition of the position paper for the European Commission's public consultation on Horizon 2020 interim evaluation, all its communication and call for action processes. I contributed to the preparation and submission of Freedom of Information requests to European institutions.I participated in the preparation of long and short-term campaigns, such as the Public Money Public Code campaign, and the I love Free Software Day. Moreover, I had the opportunity to engage in day-to-day activities vital for an NGO, taking care of the shipping of FSFE's merchandise and promotional material all over the world, assisting with the release of monthly newsletters, weekly news items and other communication activities, as well as conducting legal and policy reviews, creating and maintaining wiki pages on various topics, being involved in the translation of info material and the moderation of mailing lists and the OTRS ticket system. A big part of my traineeship was also devoted to the preparations of the Legal and Licensing Workshop 2017, the biggest legal event in the field. Last but not least, I acquired some technical and designing skills, using various software programs.
</p>

<p class="question">And what is the most fun part about engaging for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">
Even though every activity had its own appeal, the tasks I liked the most were the “out-of-the-office” activities, building ties with the community. Some highlights: the gobo projector light show, spending a night at the Berlin streets, projecting thought provoking statements on walls; sending to the German parliament flowers and letters for the IloveFS day; preparing and organising booths; participating in the biggest Free Software and technology-related conferences in Europe, eg the QtCon and the first FSFE Summit ever, the FOSDEM in Brussels, the 33c3 in Hamburg and the LinuxCon in Berlin, but also other smaller events, talks and lectures, such as occasionally the Berlin FSFE group meetings. I even helped with the organisation of such events myself, for instance I led the organisation of the first ever visit of the FSFE's staff to Athens.
</p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer"><a href="https://publiccode.eu" target="_blank">"Public Money? Public Code!"</a> </p>

<a href="https://publiccode.eu">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/pmpc_poster_front_thumb.png"
alt="Public Money? Public Code!"/>
</figure>
</a>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">Freedom!</p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

<p class="answer">LibreOffice.</p>

<figure>
<img
src="/picturebase/people/201808-community-meeting-rmll-800px.jpg"
alt="Community Meeting"/>
<figcaption>
By becoming a FSFE supporter you empower our work and help to assure our financial independence.
</figcaption>
</figure>
<div class="interview-support-btn-container">
<a class="big-donate" href="https://my.fsfe.org/support">Become a supporter</a>
</div>

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<title>Erik Grun</title>
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<sidebar promo="support"/>

<body class="bio interview">

<p id="category"><a href="../testimonials.html">Testimonials</a></p>

<h1>Erik Grun</h1>

<p>This page is part of a series of interviews with FSFE supporters and friends to help give a face to our community.
Get an overview about our interviews on the <a href="../testimonials.html">testimonials</a> page</p>

<blockquote>
<div class="with-image-right">
<img class="img-circle" src="/picturebase/people/2018-erik-grun-300px.jpg" alt="Grun"/>
<p>"My name is Erik Grun. I am studying Economics in Berlin and I am an active member of the FSFE for almost four years now. It is very hard to tell how I got to know the FSFE and Free Software in general, because my first touch with Free Software lies back even further. Back then I was quite interested in learning how to programme and somewhere I must have heard, that if you wanted to become a“real” programmer you, should use GNU/Linux. So I started using one of the more common distributions and then I somehow heard about the GNU project, Richard Stallman and our sister organization in America. The next thing I remember is being at one of my first local meetings and discussing how to bring Free Software into schools."
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>

<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with Erik Grun (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to become a supporter?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>Erik Grun:</strong> Well, the FSF was overseas and so far away and I wanted to help promoting Free Software here in my home town in Berlin. My motivation came from a rather practical standpoint. I wanted to learn programming and one way to do this, is by taking a programme with a copyleft licence. You can start by reading and understanding its source code and if you start publishing your changes, you can be sure, that they stay Free. Nowadays my motivation has shifted more to the rather political reasons. For me Free Software is something, that just makes sense – like the freedom of speech or freedom of movement. Denying someone the freedoms of Free Software is denying them their basic human rights.</p>

</div>

<p class="question">By supporting FSFE you engage as a volunteer. What are you doing for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">I am currently the coordinator of the local group in Berlin and I am a part of our education team. This means, that my tasks mainly involve organising our Fellowship meetings and helping out at booths, but also very importantly helping to promote our campaigns on the local level by talking to and meeting with people from other organisations, politicians and so on. </p>

<p class="question">What is the most fun part about engaging for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">Talking to people, who work in the public sector about why they should support Free Software is definitely fun, but helping with booths is the most fun. In Berlin we have many different kinds of events, which cover even more diverse topics that often seem to have no connection to Free Software at all. Convincing people at these events that they also need Free Software can sometimes be quite a challenge, because you always have to adapt to the event you are visiting, but that’s what makes it the most fun part.</p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer">Of course it is <a href="https://publiccode.eu" target="_blank">“Public Money? Public Code!“</a>, because in the midterm it has the most achievable goals. Our most important campaign is probably <a href="https://fsfe.org/campaigns/android/android.en.html" target="_blank">“Free Your Android!”</a>, because almost everyone owns a smart device today and these still come with some nasty pre-installed non-free software. So, by installing F-Droid (and replacing Android with a Free version), we can easily show people how software freedom can look like and hopefully more people realise the advantages it gives them.</p>

<a href="https://publiccode.eu">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/pmpc_poster_front_thumb.png" alt="Public Money? Public Code!"/>
</figure>
</a>

<p class="question">As the local coordinator, do you think Berlin is an attractive spot for Free Software enthusiasts? </p>

<p class="answer">Definitely! In Berlin are so many different communities that are using and promoting Free Software. There is even a page, <a href="https://lug.berlin/" target="_blank">lug.berlin</a>, that tries to give an overview of all the local user groups, that are meeting and hacking together in and around Berlin.</p>

<p class="question"> You mentioned being a part of education team, what activities do you undertake in this role?</p>

<p class="answer">As the FSFE group in Berlin one of our main goals is bringing Free Software and its concepts into schools. That's why we are talking to teachers, so that they can pass their knowledge on to the children and why we are trying to convince our decision makers about the inalienability of Free Software for equal educational chances. What the FSFE could do, is strengthen our education team. We need help with designing flyers, maybe launching a campaign. Also it would be very nice to have someone in the office, who is hired for working on education-related topics, so we could an expert to contact, when we need help.</p>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">Nowadays technology plays a key role in our lives and as Free Software means having control over technology it means having self-determination in our own lives.</p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

<p class="answer">As there is so many great Free Software out there, it is quite difficult for me to answer, but I think on smart devices you should definitely try out apps like "Conversations" (and "ChatSecure" for iOS), "NewPipe" and "Transportr". In general, I really like Nextcloud, because it has some really nice killer features.</p>

<p class="question">Is there anything you believe the FSFE should improve or begin working on next? Any wishes for the future?</p>

<p class="answer">I think, the FSFE should put more effort into bringing Free Software and its concepts and values into schools, universities and the like. If we can get children to use Free Software and teach them reasons why they should do so, they will not only start to value the freedom it gives them, but will also become politicians, programmers, designers, decision makers and so on, who can help us in transforming to a Free Software society. So, in the end it would really help us in taking a day or two off. ;-) </p>

<figure>
<img
src="/picturebase/people/201808-community-meeting-rmll-800px.jpg"
alt="Community Meeting"/>
<figcaption>
By becoming a FSFE supporter you empower our work and help to assure our financial independence.
</figcaption>
</figure>
<div class="interview-support-btn-container">
<a class="big-donate" href="https://my.fsfe.org/support">Become a supporter</a>
</div>

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<timestamp>$Date$ $Author$</timestamp>
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<head>
<title>Vincent Lequertier</title>
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<sidebar promo="support"/>

<body class="bio interview">

<p id="category"><a href="../testimonials.html">Testimonials</a></p>

<h1>Vincent Lequertier</h1>

<p>
This page is part of a series of interviews with FSFE supporters and friends to help give a face to our community. Get an overview about our interviews on the <a href="../testimonials.html">testimonials</a>page
</p>

<blockquote>
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<img class="img-circle" src="/picturebase/people/2018-vincent-lequertier-300px.jpg" alt="Lequertier"/>
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"I'm Vincent Lequertier, I'm 23 years old and I'm passionate about computer science, artificial intelligence and cryptography. I love learning new things, reading, traveling and listening to music."
</p>
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</blockquote>

<h2 id="video-30s-vincent">
"The FSFE and me in 30 seconds"
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<figure>
<video class="interview-video" crossorigin="crossorigin"
poster="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/posters/vincent.jpg" controls="controls">
<source media="screen and (min-device-width:1000px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
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<source media="screen and (min-device-width:1000px)" type="video/webm; codecs=&quot;vp9, opus&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/vincent_desktop.webm"></source>
<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/vincent_mobile.mp4"></source>
<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/webm; codecs=&quot;vp9, opus&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/vincent_mobile.webm"></source>
<track default="default" label="English" srclang="en" kind="subtitles"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/subtitles/vincent.vtt"></track>
</video>
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<p>
Video by <a href="https://vimeo.com/nosabo">David Vagt</a>. No animals have been
harmed and the following Free Software has been used: <a href="https://kdenlive.org/" target="_blank">kdenlive</a>,
<a href="https://blender.org/" target="_blank">blender</a>, <a href="https://lmms.io/" target="_blank">LMMS</a>,
<a href="https://audacityteam.org/" target="_blank">Audacity</a> and <a href="https://ffmpeg.org/" target="_blank">ffmpeg</a>.
</p>
</figcaption>

</figure>

<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with Vincent Lequertier (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to support it?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>Vincent Lequertier:</strong>
My first experience with Free Software was with <a href="https://www.cacti.net/" target="_blank">Cacti</a>, a monitoring software I used to get health reports and bandwidth usage from network switches. I remember how excited I was when I discovered that I can easily modify the source code of the software, fix bugs, add features and customize it to fit my needs. Then I got involved in the Mozilla community and started to contribute to the Firefox web browser. I discovered FSFE last year when I was looking for an internship in a NGO that supported Free Software. I already knew FSFE existed at that time, but I did not contribute to it. So I applied to the <a href="https://fsfe.org/contribute/internship.en.html">internship program</a> of FSFE. You can do that too, it's great.
</p>

</div>

<p class="question">Beyond supporting the FSFE, you also engage as a volunteer. What are you doing for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">
I am a part of the <a href="https://wiki.fsfe.org/Teams/System-Hackers">System Hackers team</a>. The team is responsible for the technical infrastructure of the FSFE. That includes, for example, mailing lists, Git server or <a href="https://savecodeshare.eu">savecodeshare.eu</a> website. I work mostly on the services deployed on lund.fsfeurope.org, both on the software that hosts them and the services themselves, where I make sure everything is running smoothly, relevant to the FSFE's mission and the users' needs. I also contribute to the 'Public Money? Public Code!' campaign in various ways.</p>

<p class="question">What is the most fun part about engaging for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">
The best part for me is being able to look around and see how everything works. As a member of System Hackers team, nothing is hidden away from your sight. Everything is built in the open way (while still being secure of course!), you can go through all the code, help each other. That makes contributing fun to me.</p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer">
My favorite campaign is <a href="https://publiccode.eu" targe="_blank">"Public Money? Public Code!"</a>. The campaign raises issues I had never asked myself before, but makes perfect sense to me now. When I discovered the campaign, I was wondering why we need to do it, why in public administrations software isn't built in an open way that allows to work together. In Europe, by design, a lot of countries have similar regulations and needs, so why should they reinvent the wheel so many times? On the other hand, by using Free Software people would be able to trust public administrations more, for example by knowing exactly how their children will be affected in schools, or how the amount of tax they have to pay will be calculated. So I like this campaign a lot because, in my opinion, it is helpful for everybody and is truly making a difference.</p>

<a href="https://publiccode.eu">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/pmpc_poster_front_thumb.png" alt="Public Money? Public Code!"/>
</figure>
</a>

<p class="question">Does it make a difference if Artificial Intelligence is based on Free Software? </p>

<p class="answer">
Yes, absolutely! I will even go as far as saying that Artificial Intelligence based on non-free software is not usable. AI is not a solved problem. Far from it. You must use Free Software to inspect what the AI-based software does. Understanding how Artificial Intelligence is working is hard enough already, so we need to have all the source code and help available to grasp it. This is why all popular Deep Learning (a subpart of Artificial Intelligence) libraries are Free Software. For example <a href="https://tensorflow.org/" target="_blank">Tensorflow</a>, <a href="https://keras.io/" target="_blank">Keras</a>, <a href="https://pytorch.org/" target="_blank">Pytorch</a>, etc. All the others benefits of Free Software also make a difference for AI: the ability to share the source code stimulates innovation, ensures the software can be made secure and prevent it from being locked-down.

<p>You can read more about Free software and Deep Learning in my recent <a href="https://vl8r.eu/post/2018/09/10/on-deep-learning-and-free-software/">blog post.</a></p>

</p>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">The biggest benefit of Free Software is trust, because you know you're in control of technology when you can understand it, improve it and share it with everyone.</p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

<p class="answer">
My favorite Free Software is <a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/" target="_blank">Firefox</a> It's a web browser developed by the Mozilla foundation and its community. I like it because it allows you to browse the web in a way that respects your privacy, and it's fast and secure. Being Free Software, everyone can use it, improve it and request new features. In my opinion it's a great example of why Free Software is successful: the development model makes the control of the software by a single actor impossible and guarantees that software serves the user, not the interests of private companies. Firefox has been around for 15 years and I'm sure this is largely due to its licensing.</p>

<p class="question">Is there anything you believe the FSFE should improve or begin working on next? Any wishes for the future?</p>

<p class="answer">
I think the FSFE should make it easier for people to contribute to the technical infrastructure. Currently, volunteers have to go through some complex steps to get involved, and I'm quite sure we are losing potential contributors because of that. But I also think we're going to the right direction with regard to this issue. I hope the general trend toward Free Software in legislation continues.</p>

<figure>
<img
src="/picturebase/people/201808-community-meeting-rmll-800px.jpg"
alt="Community Meeting"/>
<figcaption>
By becoming a FSFE supporter you empower our work and help to assure our financial independence.
</figcaption>
</figure>
<div class="interview-support-btn-container">
<a class="big-donate" href="https://my.fsfe.org/support">Become a supporter</a>
</div>

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<html>
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<title>Reinhard Müller</title>
</head>

<sidebar promo="support"/>

<body class="bio interview">

<p id="category"><a href="../testimonials.html">Testimonials</a></p>

<h1>Reinhard Müller</h1>

<p>This page is part of a series of interviews with FSFE supporters and friends to help give a face to our community.
Get an overview about our interviews on the <a href="../testimonials.html">testimonials</a> page</p>

<blockquote>
<div class="with-image-right">
<img class="img-circle" src="/picturebase/people/2018-reinhard-mueller-300px.jpg" alt="Müller"/>
<p>"I'm a self-employed software developer living in the westernmost part of Austria. Back in the 1990s, I worked with several proprietary flavours of Unix in my job, so it was only a matter of time for me to stumble over GNU/Linux. My first contact must have been in 1998 or 1999, and I remember how the concept of Free Software made me curious about the ideas behind it. A friend pointed me to <a href="https://www.gnu.org/" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a>, and I read literally every single article I could find there. After that, it was clear for me that I absolutely agree with that philosophy and want to engage for it."
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>

<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with Reinhard Müller (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to support it?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>Reinhard Müller:</strong> After deciding that I want to get involved in the Free Software movement, I spent a few months looking for a specific project or activity I would engage in. Just at that time, I read the announcement that the Free Software Foundation Europe is going to be founded, and I decided to make it one of the options to look at closer. And well, I got stuck to it.</p>

</div>

<p class="question"> In your engagement as a volunteer, what are you doing for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">Currently, I'm mainly FSFE's accountant. I also maintain some lesser parts of FSFE's internally used software. However, sometimes I feel the urge to break free from my keyboard and screen, and then I participate in the FSFE booth team at events like FOSDEM or Grazer Linuxtage.</p>

<p class="question"> What is the most fun part about engaging for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">Without any doubt, it's the people. It can be very rewarding to see all these smaller or larger victories in our fight for freedom in a digital society, or to break a T-shirt sales record at FOSDEM. But to be allowed to work with the motivated group of dedicated and smart people, who are the FSFE, that's simply priceless.</p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer"><a href="https://fsfe.org/campaigns/ilovefs" target="_blank">"I love Free
Software"</a> has been my favourite campaign ever since it started. It's such a positive message, and it is all about appreciation and respect, which is so important these days. </p>

<a href="https://www.ilovefs.org">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/ilovefs-sticker_burgundy_thumb.png"
alt="I Love Free Software"/>
</figure>
</a>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">It allows me (and everybody else) to exploit the virtually unlimited possibilities of that great invention called "computer", just as I like.</p>

<p class="question">As a long-term member of FSFE, what do you believe is one fundamental thing FSFE should always carry on doing?</p>

<p class="answer"> The FSFE has a tradition of sending out positive messages, and I think that's one of the main reasons for its success. Don't complain, change! Don't be *against* the status quo, be *for* a change! Don't criticise, help improving!</p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

<p class="answer">The Free Software culture is a culture of cooperation. People build upon each other's work, in most cases even without ever having met or talked. This creates a whole universe of components which you can then arrange and use as you like. The question about the favourite Free Software is a bit like asking "what is your favourite LEGO brick?"; it is the countless possibilities this universe of components gives me that makes me really love Free Software. But well, since you asked anyway: Python.</p>

<p class="question">Is there anything you believe the FSFE should improve or begin working on next? Any wishes for the future?</p>

<p class="answer">The FSFE has become very professional over the last years. The organisation meanwhile has a number of dedicated full-time employees, and virtually every activity of the FSFE is coordinated by one of them. This has contributed a lot to FSFE's success, and most of the things FSFE does now would never be possible with purely volunteer work. We have now reached a point where we (and yes, that includes myself!) must pay constant attention to keep existing and potential volunteers involved in our work. We must help people all across Europe to understand how they can participate in our activities, how their personal engagement makes a change, and how there are so many different ways for them to be an integral part of a strong and powerful FSFE.</p>

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<h1>André Ockers</h1>

<p>This page is part of a series of interviews with FSFE supporters and friends to help give a face to our community.
Get an overview about our interviews on the <a href="../testimonials.html">testimonials</a> page</p>

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<p>
"Hi, I'm André Ockers from Nijmegen. I started using Free Software in 2004 to switch to a Free Software operating system in 2009. In 2014 I was searching for online user and support groups and this way I found out about FSFE and joined immediately".
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>

<h2 id="video-30s-andre">
"The FSFE and me in 30 seconds"
</h2>

<figure>
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poster="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/posters/andre.jpg" controls="controls">
<source media="screen and (min-device-width:1000px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
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<source media="screen and (min-device-width:1000px)" type="video/webm; codecs=&quot;vp9, opus&quot;"
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<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/andre_mobile.mp4"></source>
<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/webm; codecs=&quot;vp9, opus&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/andre_mobile.webm"></source>
<track default="default" label="English" srclang="en" kind="subtitles"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/subtitles/andre.vtt"></track>
</video>
<figcaption>
<p>
Video by <a href="https://vimeo.com/nosabo">David Vagt</a>. No animals have been
harmed and the following Free Software has been used: <a href="https://kdenlive.org/" target="_blank">kdenlive</a>,
<a href="https://blender.org/" target="_blank">blender</a>, <a href="https://lmms.io/" target="_blank">LMMS</a>,
<a href="https://audacityteam.org/" target="_blank">Audacity</a> and <a href="https://ffmpeg.org/"
target="_blank">ffmpeg</a>.
</p>
</figcaption>

</figure>

<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with André Ockers (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to become a supporter?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>André Ockers:</strong> When there is serious social pressure to do something in a certain way (for example: “you should use proprietary software”) without substantial reasoning behind it then it is time to find like-minded people to connect and work together.</p>

</div>

<p class="question">Beyond supporting the FSFE, you also engage as a volunteer. What are you doing for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">I'm translating web content to Dutch, informing people in FSFE booths, spreading the word about Free Software and participating in community events.</p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer">
My favorite campaign at the moment is <a href="https://publiccode.eu" targe="_blank">"Public Money? Public Code!"</a>, as it draws attention to the fact that when policy makers choose Free Software, the people win: public costs go down and it is good news for local businesses and the local labour market. The city of Barcelona has understood this, so they're now the ones moving forward. Other public organisations can watch and learn. </p>

<a href="https://publiccode.eu">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/pmpc_poster_front_thumb.png" alt="Public Money? Public Code!"/>
</figure>
</a>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">In my mind, the biggest benefit of Free Software is that it empowers its users.</p>

<p class="question"> How is the Free Software movement doing in the Netherlands?</p>

<p class="answer">
The Free Software movement in the Netherlands is volatile, with the long-term trend in the direction of more adoption of the idea of Free Software. The Dutch government wants to enable the public sector to publish software as Free Software. And five times a year we run a FSFE booth in the Netherlands and it feels good when people walk away inspired.</p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

<p class="answer">The software that I use most must be Icedove, for email, tasks and agenda. And I'm happy with GnuPG, F-Droid, Replicant, LibreOffice… </p>

<p class="question">Is there anything you believe the FSFE should improve or begin working on next? Any wishes for the future?</p>

<p class="answer">
I think FSFE is doing a great job. There can be more information exchange, e.g. in the FSFE wiki. Around me I hear people who don't know where to start, so maybe there can be made some progress in that area, for example by providing printable wiki techdoc's for beginners and advanced users alike. Users must be running into the same challenges at a lot of places at the same time.</p>

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<h1>Florian Snow</h1>

<p>This page is part of a series of interviews with FSFE supporters and friends to help give a face to our community.
Get an overview about our interviews on the <a href="../testimonials.html">testimonials</a> page</p>

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"My name is Florian Snow, I live in Nürnberg, work as a programmer, and I became interested in Free Software around 1999, but from a purely technological perspective. Back then, I still thought there was a Free operating system called Linux, I believed the Mac was generally the same as "Linux", and a little bit later, I thought Open Source was a cool idea. Since then, I have learned a lot, found out about differences and shared interests between Free Software and Open Source, I now know about the GNU operating system with Linux as its kernel, and I have become more and more involved in the community."
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>

<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with Florian Snow (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to become a supporter?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>Florian Snow:</strong> I knew the Free Software Foundation and to be honest, I was unsure what to think about the FSFE at first. So I became an FSF associate member and engaged as a volunteer with them. It was actually after a talk by Richard Stallman in 2012 that I decided to support the FSFE. I simply realized that the two organizations complemented each other incredibly well and that I should also support the organization that is more focused on Europe. When I reveived my welcome letter, Matthias Kirschner who was the German and Fellowship coordinator at the time had hand-written a little note at the bottom that he was hoping to meet in person soon. He also encouraged me to post some of the work I did for the FSF to FSFE mailing lists as well and that is how my engagement started.</p>

</div>

<p class="question"> What is the most fun part about engaging for the FSFE? </p>

<p class="answer"> I love the welcoming culture at the FSFE. Whenever I have a halfway decent idea, I get to do it. The only requirement is that I will either do the work myself or am willing to coordinate others to work on it. It feels good to be able to actively work for Free Software in such an unbureaucratic way. </p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer">For me, it is still <a href="https://fsfe.org/campaigns/ilovefs" target="_blank">"I love Free Software"</a>. It only happens once a year, but there are so many cool graphics around it and it draws a lot of public attention. It is also a campaign that shows that we can be fun and even a bit goofy as a community and I love that because I can be quite goofy myself. </p>

<a href="https://www.ilovefs.org">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/ilovefs-sticker_burgundy_thumb.png"
alt="I Love Free Software"/>
</figure>
</a>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">The four freedoms that allow you to be independent of a specific entity: You choose and adapt the best-suited software and then independently choose services from a whole range of offers. </p>

<p class="question">You are the most active volunteer for PMPC campaign, you are Deputy Coordinator Germany and Coordinator Franconia and you do not mind driving hundreds of kilometers to support a booth-team if you see necessary. What is your secret superpower and can we have access to it too? </p>

<p class="answer"> I think that may be too much praise. In any of the positions you mentioned, there are so many other volunteers involved that make great contributions that all I do at times, is tweak a suggestion a little. So I would pass on that praise to all of our other great volunteers.In regards to the superpower, I would have to name my bad conscience that I might not be doing enough. In all seriousness though, I know that it is important for volunteers to avoid burn-out and so not taking on too much and taking breaks is important. Still, there is always the drive to spend more time on this important cause and that, in combination with meeting other wonderful volunteers at events such as RMLL or FOSDEM and in personal visits is what keeps me going.</p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

<p class="answer">That's a tough one. I love VLC, because it plays anything you throw at it, I love also Inkscape, Emacs, Firefox, Audacity, Krita, and many more. So perhaps I can cheat a little bit and name Debian as my favorite Free Software. Debian is absolutely reliable and trustworthy and I could not do my work or my volunteer tasks nearly as consistently without it.</p>

<p class="question">Is there anything you believe the FSFE should improve or begin working on next? Any wishes for the future?</p>

<p class="answer">I think the FSFE is generally on a good path with it's campaigns to promote Free Software. The one thing we and any organization with a similar structure always needs to pay attention to is how to engage volunteers and keep them motivated. The FSFE consists of mostly volunteers and the more consistently we can engage people, the more good work we can do. We need to continue our efforts here to keep entry barriers low, avoid frustration, and let people work on interesting tasks.</p>

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<h1>Bernhard Weitzhofer</h1>

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Get an overview about our interviews on the <a href="../testimonials.html">testimonials</a> page</p>

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<p>
"Hi, I'm Bernhard! I studied computer science and I work in public service. Years ago, I stumbled into an FSFE meeting without having a clear idea of what the FSFE is actually doing. Turns out, I like what the FSFE is actually doing."
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>

<h2 id="video-30s-bernhard">
"The FSFE and me in 30 seconds"
</h2>

<figure>
<video class="interview-video" crossorigin="crossorigin"
poster="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/posters/bernhard.jpg" controls="controls">
<source media="screen and (min-device-width:1000px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/bernhard_desktop.mp4"></source>
<source media="screen and (min-device-width:1000px)" type="video/webm; codecs=&quot;vp9, opus&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/bernhard_desktop.webm"></source>
<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/bernhard_mobile.mp4"></source>
<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/webm; codecs=&quot;vp9, opus&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/bernhard_mobile.webm"></source>
<track default="default" label="English" srclang="en" kind="subtitles"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/subtitles/bernhard.vtt"></track>
</video>
<figcaption>
<p>
Video by <a href="https://vimeo.com/nosabo">David Vagt</a>. No animals have been
harmed and the following Free Software has been used: <a href="https://kdenlive.org/" target="_blank">kdenlive</a>,
<a href="https://blender.org/" target="_blank">blender</a>, <a href="https://lmms.io/" target="_blank">LMMS</a>,
<a href="https://audacityteam.org/" target="_blank">Audacity</a> and <a href="https://ffmpeg.org/"
target="_blank">ffmpeg</a>.
</p>
</figcaption>

</figure>

<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with Bernhard Weitzhofer (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to become a supporter?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>Bernhard Weitzhofer:</strong> The great community of fellow souls played a big part. The feeling of improving the world a little bit was another important factor.</p>

</div>

<p class="question">Beyond supporting the FSFE, you also engage as a volunteer. What are you doing for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">
Apart from manning FSFE booths at various events and giving workshops and talks regarding Free Software, I try to be a positive example of someone benefitting greatly from Free Software. Oh, and I almost forgot: I try to coordinate Munich's FSFE group. Check out <a href="https://fsfe-muc.de"> our page</a> to see when and where we're meeting! </p>

<p class="question">What is the most fun part about engaging for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">
No man is an island. There are so many great people working for and with the FSFE to interact with and to learn from. These people have been the most beneficial and the most fun part in engaging with the FSFE. </p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer">As a public servant: <a href="https://publiccode.eu" targe="_blank">"Public Money? Public Code!"</a>, hands down. I write software for a living, being payed from taxes. I would love to put my software under a free license, for the benefit of others.</p>

<a href="https://publiccode.eu">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/pmpc_poster_front_thumb.png" alt="Public Money? Public Code!"/>
</figure>
</a>

<p class="question">How did the stop of Limux influence the atmosphere in Munich's Free Software movement? </p>

<p class="answer">
I experienced the stop of Limux twofold: On one hand there was great disappointment and a feeling of powerlessness in being unable to influence decisions that to me seem to be aligned against common sense and the common good. On the other hand we got to know a lot of kindred spirits. I hope the alliances formed in those weeks will benefit Munich's Free Software scene in the long run. </p>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">In laying the inner workings of our systems open, Free Software is an instrument of Truth. </p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

<p class="answer">
If I'll have to pick favourites, I guess I'll go with Vim. I like that its roots can be traced back for almost half a century, and it's still one of the most useful pieces of software I have ever used. It also promotes a charity I support. Try ":help uganda" in Vim and see for yourself!</p>

<p class="question">
Is there anything you believe the FSFE should improve or begin working on next? Any wishes for the future?</p>

<p class="answer">
Since most of us worked with computers for a long time, I think we're still a little stuck in the mindset of equating "software" with "desktop computer application software". "Free your android" is a great first step in broadening our horizons. For the future I'd wish for the FSFE to focus more on all those centralized systems harvesting, storing and exploiting our data. Let's take back our freedom!</p>

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"The first Free Software I interacted with was Donald Knuth's Metafont and TeX, I guess in about early 80s. Back then I was not so much impressed by the idea that the software is free, but rather by the enormous effort its author did to make its inner workings accessible (pretty well expressed by the device of "literate programming")".
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<h2 id="video-30s-tomas">
"The FSFE and me in 30 seconds"
</h2>

<figure>
<video class="interview-video" crossorigin="crossorigin"
poster="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/posters/tomas.jpg" controls="controls">
<source media="screen and (min-device-width:1000px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
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<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/mp4; codecs=&quot;avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/tomas_mobile.mp4"></source>
<source media="screen and (max-device-width:999px)" type="video/webm; codecs=&quot;vp9, opus&quot;"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/tomas_mobile.webm"></source>
<track default="default" label="English" srclang="en" kind="subtitles"
src="https://download.fsfe.org/videos/supporter/subtitles/tomas.vtt"></track>
</video>
<figcaption>
<p>
Video by <a href="https://vimeo.com/nosabo">David Vagt</a>. No animals have been
harmed and the following Free Software has been used: <a href="https://kdenlive.org/" target="_blank">kdenlive</a>,
<a href="https://blender.org/" target="_blank">blender</a>, <a href="https://lmms.io/" target="_blank">LMMS</a>,
<a href="https://audacityteam.org/" target="_blank">Audacity</a> and <a href="https://ffmpeg.org/"
target="_blank">ffmpeg</a>.
</p>
</figcaption>

</figure>

<h2 id="interview" class="clear">
Short Interview with Tomás Zerolo (2019)
</h2>

<p class="question">FSFE: What made you interested in the FSFE and motivated to become a supporter?</p>

<div class="answer">

<p><strong>Tomás Zerolo:</strong> I've always been a fan of the FSF and by the ideals carried by the GPL. When I became aware of the FSFE (around 2005), I always thought I had to contribute. I kept postponing it, because at the time I was a precarious freelancer: no time, no money. When I came to Berlin and had -- for a time -- a good paying job, I ran out of excuses I was lucky to meet a very nice and inspiring local supporter group.</p>

</div>

<p class="question">Beyond supporting the FSFE, you also engage as a volunteer. What are you doing for FSFE?</p>

<p class="answer">I'm mainly having fun. Fun with the people in the local group, fun behind a booth, all that kind of things. And doing some advocacy here and there.</p>

<p class="question">And what is the most fun part about engaging for FSFE? </p>

<p class="answer">The people. You are all awesome. It feels great to be part of it. </p>

<h2 class="question">What is your favourite FSFE campaign at the moment?</h2>

<p class="answer">My favorite campaign is <a href="https://publiccode.eu" targe="_blank">"Public Money? Public Code!"</a>.</p>

<a href="https://publiccode.eu">
<figure>
<img
src="/contribute/promopics/pmpc_poster_front_thumb.png" alt="Public Money? Public Code!"/>
</figure>
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<p class="question">As the local coordinator Berlin, is the capital of Germany an attractive spot for Free Software enthusiasts?</p>

<p class="answer">It's most definitely an interesting place. I think Berlin's diverse and open atmosphere, and its not-yet-finished status rhymes pretty well with the ideals of Free Software.</p>

<h2 class="question" style="clear: both;">In one sentence: What is the biggest benefit of Free Software?</h2>

<p class="answer">It empowers users, i.e. all of us.</p>

<p class="question">What is your favourite Free Software?</p>

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That's a tough one. But if I had to choose, I'd choose Gnu Emacs, because it's not only free in the four-freedoms sense, but because it goes out of its way to make its inner workings accessible to the user: if you invoke its help system, it doesn't only lead you to a function's documentation, but also to its source code.</p>

<p class="question">Is there anything you believe the FSFE should improve or begin working on next? Any wishes for the future?</p>

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I think we should network with other related groups outside of the software bubble: all those concerned with (individual) freedom, empowerment, sustainability. Software is sneakily taking over, without society at large really taking notice, and is influencing us in alarmingly deep ways already -- the decisions being taken by a few at the top of a few powerful commercial (and state) entities. It's about time software isn't considered any more as something "for specialists" and that society at large takes part in helping shape it. We'll need the four freedoms for that, but I think we'll need more than just that.</p>

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