Dead links #935

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jzarl · 2019-05-25T12:12:13Z

jzarl skomentował(-a)

2019-05-25 12:12:13 +00:00

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What shall we do with dead links?
This problem particularly affects tags - e.g. https://fsfe.org/tags/tagged-helsinki_openoffice.en.html

What shall we do with dead links? This problem particularly affects tags - e.g. https://fsfe.org/tags/tagged-helsinki_openoffice.en.html

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2019-05-25 12:12:13 +00:00

jzarl skomentował(-a)

2019-05-25 12:14:11 +00:00

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In this particular example, I'll just remove the tag entirely. Is this applicable on a wider scale?

reinhard skomentował(-a)

2019-05-25 13:37:30 +00:00

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I think the point is not the tag, but that the event has a link which is now broken. I'm not sure whether we want to remove the link from the event in such cases, since the whole event entry is only there for historical purposes.

max.mehl skomentował(-a)

2019-05-25 20:57:53 +00:00

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+1 to deleting the tag altogether

Removing the link doesn't make much sense to me, unless there is an obvious replacement. These are very old events and I don't think we need to support them forever.

+1 to deleting the tag altogether Removing the link doesn't make much sense to me, unless there is an obvious replacement. These are very old events and I don't think we need to support them forever.

reinhard skomentował(-a)

2019-05-25 21:04:25 +00:00

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Sorry, this doesn't make sense to me.

On https://fsfe.org/events/2012/index.de.html, the events are listed, and they link to the page which meanwhile is offline. Removing the tag will only stop us from listing the event on our tag pages, but not from linking the event to a dead page.

Sorry, this doesn't make sense to me. On https://fsfe.org/events/2012/index.de.html, the events are listed, and they link to the page which meanwhile is offline. Removing the tag will only stop us from listing the event on our tag pages, but not from linking the event to a dead page.

reinhard skomentował(-a)

2019-05-25 21:06:39 +00:00

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Would you also delete the "libreoffice" and "berlin" tags which contain the same broken link?

max.mehl skomentował(-a)

2019-05-26 09:45:15 +00:00

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On https://fsfe.org/events/2012/index.de.html, the events are listed, and they link to the page which meanwhile is offline. Removing the tag will only stop us from listing the event on our tag pages, but not from linking the event to a dead page.

Would you also delete the “libreoffice” and “berlin” tags which contain the same broken link?

Sorry that I didn't make my point clear. I don't want to delete the tag because the link is broken. I don't find the tag helsinki_openoffice useful for a visitor.

> On https://fsfe.org/events/2012/index.de.html, the events are listed, and they link to the page which meanwhile is offline. Removing the tag will only stop us from listing the event on our tag pages, but not from linking the event to a dead page. > Would you also delete the “libreoffice” and “berlin” tags which contain the same broken link? Sorry that I didn't make my point clear. I don't want to delete the tag because the link is broken. I don't find the tag `helsinki_openoffice` useful for a visitor.

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reinhard skomentował(-a)

2020-05-27 15:20:27 +00:00

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To get to a conclusion here:

My approach on this would be: as long as we link to external event websites and we have an event archive, we will sooner or later have broken links. We should not remove the event entries (the event took place and we were there), and we should not remove the broken link (it might be able to find the original content on archive.org, for example). So a broken link in itself is not a reason to change anything, independently of any ongoing and very reasonable cleanup of tags.

To get to a conclusion here: My approach on this would be: as long as we link to external event websites and we have an event archive, we will sooner or later have broken links. We should not remove the event entries (the event took place and we were there), and we should not remove the broken link (it might be able to find the original content on archive.org, for example). So a broken link in itself is not a reason to change anything, independently of any ongoing and very reasonable cleanup of tags.

max.mehl skomentował(-a)

2020-05-28 15:33:29 +00:00

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Yes, I agree here. Please reopen if you object

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2020-05-28 15:33:31 +00:00

jzarl skomentował(-a)

2020-05-28 21:34:24 +00:00

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No objection from me - you proposed a well-reasoned policy that we can use going forward.

While reading up on this issue I noticed something strange though (and probably the reason why I proposed removing dead links in the first place):

Compare these two views on the event:
https://fsfe.org/events/2012/index.de.html
(search for "helsinki-openoffice")

https://fsfe.org/tags/tagged-helsinki-openoffice.de.html

On the tag page, there's no way to get to the same view as presented on the events page. I.e. on the tag page, the event looks like a dead external link with no context.

If this is intentional, I'll leave it at that. If not, I can create a new bug report for this behaviour.

No objection from me - you proposed a well-reasoned policy that we can use going forward. While reading up on this issue I noticed something strange though (and probably the reason why I proposed removing dead links in the first place): Compare these two views on the event: https://fsfe.org/events/2012/index.de.html (search for "helsinki-openoffice") ![image](/attachments/f4c2872b-52b2-4060-97ed-68b080bcb0ec) https://fsfe.org/tags/tagged-helsinki-openoffice.de.html ![image](/attachments/e7276d79-5885-469f-8cc2-482323b52c36) On the tag page, there's no way to get to the same view as presented on the events page. I.e. on the tag page, the event looks like a dead external link with no context. If this is intentional, I'll leave it at that. If not, I can create a new bug report for this behaviour.

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reinhard skomentował(-a)

2020-05-29 06:46:38 +00:00

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Thank you for bringing this up. I think it's a good idea that you open a new issue about this; we might even want to go a step further and generally discuss the format how news and events should be listed on the tags page.

jzarl odwołał(-a) się do tego zgłoszenia

2020-05-29 21:50:18 +00:00

Tags page links to external sites rather than the event containing them #1420

jzarl skomentował(-a)

2020-05-29 21:51:42 +00:00

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Cool! Then we can move the discussion over to issue #1420...

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