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Thank you for your patience and From 7fed14eb1268ebda44a9330eff358204c4c492f4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Bonnie Mehring Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:07:48 +0200 Subject: [PATCH 02/13] YH4F add news item interview with Brie * Remove highlight tag from old news items --- fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250310-01.de.xhtml | 1 - fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250310-01.en.xhtml | 1 - fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250331-01.en.xhtml | 1 - fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250331-01.it.xhtml | 1 - fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250403-01.en.xhtml | 1 - fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250417-01.en.xhtml | 180 +++++++++++++++++++ 6 files changed, 180 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) create mode 100644 fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250417-01.en.xhtml diff --git a/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250310-01.de.xhtml b/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250310-01.de.xhtml index d6861e1fc6..3e64287a9a 100644 --- a/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250310-01.de.xhtml +++ b/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250310-01.de.xhtml @@ -123,7 +123,6 @@ Website zu finden.

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"YH4F encourages young students to be brave and resilient"

+ +

Youth Hacking 4 Freedom would not be possible without the amazing +teenagers who join this contest, our incredible sponsors and donors, +whose support is vital, and our expert jury, who evaluate the projects. +One of these jury members is Brielen Madureira, who talked with us +before the participants have to submit their projects.

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16 professionals with a different focus on Free +Software come together as the Youth +Hacking 4 Freedom (YH4F) jury. They cover a wide range of technical +aspects – +from a focus on large language models, to leading major Free Software +projects and kicking of innovations in their field of expertise. This +diversity ensures that, regardless of the type of project submitted, +there is always an expert available to review it and offer valuable +feedback to the participants.

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We have talked with one of our jury +members, Brielen Madureira, a Doctor in Computational Linguistics from +the University of Potsdam, and interested in evaluation and ethical +considerations of language technologies… and birds!

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+YH4F main illustration of a hackerspace wtih the 3 YH4F figures +
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FSFE: Thanks Brie for talking with us. What inspired you to become a +jury member for this competition?

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Brie: The fact that it is an amazing educational +initiative. It encourages young students to be brave and resilient, +gives them an opportunity to use and improve their knowledge while +building useful software and, in the end, rewards them (and us) with a +trip and tasty food : )

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+Based on the jury’s scores, the six winning projects receive a cash +prize ranging from €1,024 to €4,096. The winners are invited (with all +expenses covered) to the award ceremony held over a weekend in October +in Brussels. +
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FSFE: What do you enjoy most about being involved in this +kind of event?

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Brie: Witnessing how bright young programmers are, +how much they learn during the process (even on their own!) and the +amazing, well-articulated projects that they can develop.

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FSFE: If you had to choose only one, what would be your favourite +thing about this competition?

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Brie: It gives visibility and networking +opportunities to the participants.

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FSFE: What skills do you think are most important for participants to +take part in this competition?

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Brie: Knowing how and when to look for help and +resources in order to overcome problems in coding, being able to change +gear and reshape the project when needed, having the ability to think +beyond the code itself and be aware of its benefits and limitations in +relation to future users.

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FSFE: Have you seen any common mistakes or challenges among +the participants?

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Brie: Lacking documentation. It is very +disappointing to open a repository that may contain an awesome and +well-developed idea which is not well communicated or explained. It gets +harder to judge its quality and usefulness without knowing how it works, +what it can be used for, how to install it and so on.

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FSFE: What impresses you the most in a project?

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Brie: Seeing it has an outstanding documentation and +that it provides a solution to a problem that can potentially benefit a +whole community. Even better when the views of that community directly +influenced the development of the solution.

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FSFE: Why do you think this programming competitions is +important for teenagers?

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Brie: In school, we learn how to read and write in +our own language and possibly in other natural languages, but not +everyone has the chance to learn a programming language from early on. +This competition is an incentive for young students to seek that +knowledge and see that it can create great things. Besides, it is +important to incentivise the principles of Free Software among young +programmers.

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FSFE: What advice would you give to young programmers who +want to improve their skills?

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Brie: Refactor your own code, review other people’s +code and contribute to Free Software repositories. Learn the best +practices and the native style of your preferred programming language. +Stay up to date with the latest developments in the community. Talk to +and get feedback from the users of your tools. And always document your +code well.

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The 2025 edition of Youth Hacking 4 Freedom started on 1 January, with the programming phase now in fullswing. +Visit the YH4F website for more details about the competitoin, the sponsors + and the previous winners.

+ + + + + + +Registration is open for the 2025 edition. +This competition is running thanks to our donors and sponsors. +Please consider supporting our work. + + + + + + News + + Interview + Youth Hacking 4 Freedom + Youth Hacking 4 Freedom - Project + highlights + + + + + YH4F main illustration of a hackerspace wtih the 3 YH4F figures + + From 76d02bff9c5934b6be55c4ec677b66985c104b7f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Bonnie Mehring Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:29:21 +0200 Subject: [PATCH 03/13] YH4F add Mastodon link --- fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250417-01.en.xhtml | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250417-01.en.xhtml b/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250417-01.en.xhtml index d12884ed0d..ec3dbcaa81 100644 --- a/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250417-01.en.xhtml +++ b/fsfe.org/news/2025/news-20250417-01.en.xhtml @@ -173,7 +173,7 @@ Please consider supporting our work. highlights - + YH4F main illustration of a hackerspace wtih the 3 YH4F figures From 4f48b3cb0df561a591ff565572a0675df2bae127 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "fsfe-website/cgi-bin/registerevent.php" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 12:46:18 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 04/13] Commit generated by fsfe-website/cgi-bin/registerevent, to add event fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250508-01.es.xml Signed-off-by: fsfe-website/cgi-bin/registerevent.php --- fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250508-01.es.xml | 24 +++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 24 insertions(+) create mode 100644 fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250508-01.es.xml diff --git a/fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250508-01.es.xml b/fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250508-01.es.xml new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..ecd2d1d384 --- /dev/null +++ b/fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250508-01.es.xml @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ + + + 1 + + FSFE en SalmorejoTech. Datos y política: MP Scrape in Córdoba, Spain + + None + + + + +

En un mundo donde los gigantes dominan el diálogo político, es crucial que los activistas puedan hacer oír su voz. MP Scrape, una herramienta desarrollada por la FSFE, te da las herramientas para poder conectar directamente con tus representantes, extraer información clave y defender el Software Libre. Aprende cómo esta herramienta puede ayudarte a defender las causas que más te importan.

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Esta charla es presentada por la creadora del proyecto, Sofía Aritz, a las 13:10 CEST. El evento es gratuito y puedes conseguir tu entrada en https://salmorejo.tech/2025.

+ + + https://salmorejo.tech/2025 + + + Spain + + + + + From 4e688f6af7a9e00cb2da1669f39e6cb90b89d34a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "fsfe-website/cgi-bin/registerevent.php" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 12:47:55 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 05/13] Commit generated by fsfe-website/cgi-bin/registerevent, to add event fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250509-01.en.xml Signed-off-by: fsfe-website/cgi-bin/registerevent.php --- fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250509-01.en.xml | 25 +++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 25 insertions(+) create mode 100644 fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250509-01.en.xml diff --git a/fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250509-01.en.xml b/fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250509-01.en.xml new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..21dd229508 --- /dev/null +++ b/fsfe.org/events/2025/event-20250509-01.en.xml @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ + + + 1 + + FSFE at SalmorejoTech. Datos y política: MP Scrape in Córdoba, Spain + + None + + + + +

It is crucial that hackers, organizations, and activists in the Free Software world can reach out to their representatives about the issues that matter most to them. However, it is often a challenge for individuals and smaller groups to make their interests heard, while larger organizations with vast resources have no trouble getting the attention of policymakers. Unfortunately, the interests of the Free Software community are often overlooked, while these bigger organizations have a louder voice in the political sphere.

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MP Scrape is a Free Software project developed by the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE), aimed at leveling the playing field by making it easier for individuals and smaller organizations within the Free Software community to contact their elected officials. By gathering up-to-date and reliable information about Members of Parliament (MPs) across Europe from various sources, MP Scrape helps activists, civil society, and Free Software enthusiasts access accurate and up-to-date contact details for MPs, empowering them to advocate for the causes they care about.

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This talk is presented by the creator of the project, Sofía Aritz, at 13:10 CEST. This talk is in Spanish. The event is free of charge and you may get your tickets at https://salmorejo.tech/2025.

+ + + https://salmorejo.tech/2025 + + + Spain + + + + + From 619bf87e1cf4d9dd8af7e727afb28c24c89a2c12 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Bonnie Mehring Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 11:52:16 +0200 Subject: [PATCH 06/13] SFP033 Publication and News item [] Transcript [] Uploading Audio [] Toot --- fsfe.org/news/podcast/episode-33.en.xhtml | 92 + .../podcast/transcript/episode-32.en.xhtml | 4 +- .../podcast/transcript/episode-33.en.xhtml | 1510 +++++++++++++++++ 3 files changed, 1604 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) create mode 100644 fsfe.org/news/podcast/episode-33.en.xhtml create mode 100644 fsfe.org/news/podcast/transcript/episode-33.en.xhtml diff --git a/fsfe.org/news/podcast/episode-33.en.xhtml b/fsfe.org/news/podcast/episode-33.en.xhtml new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..83919c969e --- /dev/null +++ b/fsfe.org/news/podcast/episode-33.en.xhtml @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ + + +1 + + +SFP#33: Policy and EU: Coalition treaty in Germany and its role for Free Software + + + +

SFP#33: Policy and EU: Coalition treaty in Germany and its role for Free Software

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Recently, the German coalition treaty from the CDU/CSU and SPD has been published with over 140 pages. +In our latest episode Alexander Sander and Bonnie Mehring talk about the coalition treaty and break down +the standing of Free Software in it.

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Listen to the 33rd episode of our Software Freedom Podcast and find out what the coalition treaty outlines + for Free Software in Germany and where spillover effects to the EU policy are to be expected. Bonnie and Alex + discuss where we, as a civil society, need to keep an eye out for threats to our software freedom, and what the + options are for the Free Software ecosystem in the future. Together they also talk about the sudden decision to + remove Jutta Horstmann, former CEO of the German Center for Digital Sovereignty (ZenDiS in German), from her + position and cover the recent symposium "Public Money? Public Code! in practice”, organised by the FSFE.

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This is the perfect episode for everybody who wants to learn more about the coalition treaty and its aspects on +Free Software! Help us to protect software freedom by donating.

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Show notes

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If you liked this episode and want to support our continuous work for software freedom, please help us with a donation.

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SFP#032: Policy and EU: Router Freedom in the EU

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+If we then look at a U.P. level, we have a commissioner for tax opportunities or also make sense
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+accept the person and this also something important, you need somebody who is not only
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+Welcome to the Software Freedom Podcast, this podcast is presented to you by the Free Software
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+We are a charity that empowers users to take control of technology.
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+I'm Bonnie Mehring, and today I'm here with Alexander Sander.
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+Alex, who has now been a regular guest on this podcast, is the Senior Policy Consultant
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+Together, we will cover the latest developments at Germany in regard to the policy and
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+Thank you so much for making the time and to walking us through the Coalition Treaty and also
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+So Alex, this treaty has now been out for around a week, as far as I remember.
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+but also on the procurement rules.
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+We have the campaign public money, public code, which is asking government basically to release
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+everything under Free Software Light and as soon as you invest public money in software.
+
+67
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+So there are already some step forward in the last years that also the German government
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+68
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+understood that Free Software plays an important role to reach digital sovereignty to have
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+a resilient IT infrastructure to be independent and to come out, for example, out of
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+70
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+vandalizing.
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+So that's what also the upcoming government understood that also what is reflected in the
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+treaty, in the coalition treaty, however, if we then look at what they want to do
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+precisely, then it's getting a bit vague.
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+So for example, they say that they want to define ambitious goals on the topic of open source,
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+75
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+which means that they didn't define it yet.
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+76
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+So the only thing that they agreed on is that they want to be ambitious and that this needs
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+to be defined.
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+78
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+So we can already see that they are like upcoming work for us.
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+I can't imagine.
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+So this is something that is in the whole treaty, as far as I have here and rat in all of the
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+upper resources, that this is something which is a lot in this coalition treaty that there
+
+82
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+are not specific goals or specific details, but that's more of a let's talk about this later
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+83
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+attitude and we will just kind of like do this.
+
+84
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+How do you see this in regard to Free Software?
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+85
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+Do you think that Free Software has a strong stand in the treaty or will be undermined?
+
+86
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+That's actually in regard to open washing as well.
+
+87
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+Yeah, I mean, in general, that's why it's such a long treaty, I think.
+
+88
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+So since they didn't manage it to precisely agree on things, they had to describe things a lot.
+
+89
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+So that's why I also think there's upcoming work for us.
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+90
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+I mean, the good thing is that they say they want to be ambitious.
+
+91
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+So that's something that we can also follow up and where we can or where we need to follow up and see
+
+92
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+what this means in practice.
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+93
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+Also, they give already some insights for example that they say they want to work with the sender
+
+94
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+of digital sovereignty, for example, or the surrender agency, they also want to collaborate
+
+95
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+a U.P. and why they also want to come up with a so-called German stack which should be
+
+96
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+somehow collaborate and be embedded in the U-Stack initiative in Europe.
+
+97
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+So we can also already see that they have important actors on the radar and that they also
+
+98
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+see that they need to collaborate. So that's something which is very, very good and very, very useful
+
+99
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+and also needed. So in this regard, I'd say they found the right spot where they need to work
+
+100
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+on what is missing is concrete goals. So for example, we want to see that 20% of the budget
+
+101
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+is to be invested in Free Software, for example, or that we want to remove and 30% of our
+
+102
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+window looking for something like this. So this is what's missing. The only reference we have
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+103
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+is that it needs to be ambitious. So if you look at this word, I think it's fair to say
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+104
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+we should compare it to what we're done in the past. So this means it needs to be better than the
+
+105
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+last government. So else it wouldn't be ambitious, right? So it's not about keeping the status quo,
+
+106
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+but they say want to be ambitious, it needs to be better than before. So I think that's somehow
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+107
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+the threshold what we are looking for and so this is at least the bare minimum what we can expect
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+108
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+or what we should expect from the next government and this is then also I do believe something for
+
+109
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+as soon as we have the new government where we need to follow up is then to make sure that the goals
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+110
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+that are defined are becoming one of the priorities of the next government. So as you also said
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+111
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+if you look at the coalition treaty in general, it's not only in the topic of Free Software
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+112
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+but in many other topics as well that they are remaining very vague and that they are not very
+
+113
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+clear on their priorities. So it's absolutely unclear if they want to be ambitious in the beginning
+
+114
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+of their legislative firm or in the end for example. So and this is on us as the whole Free Software
+
+115
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+community to make sure that this topic is becoming a priority and if you look at the other
+
+116
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+member states in the European Union and the European Union itself it also makes sense to bring
+
+117
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+pressure to it since the others are also working on this and it doesn't make sense to be the last one
+
+118
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+in the party but to join the party early and in particular for Germany it makes sense since they
+
+119
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+already came up with solution like open desk and open code with the center of digital sovereignty
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+120
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+in the past to continue this path and to at the needed resources for this to go there and this is
+
+121
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+another very important thing it's about budget. So also they talk about budget for these activities
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+122
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+and here they say they want to provide the needed resources but they don't say anything on how much
+
+123
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+and when. So and this is also a huge problem also here in general for the whole coalition treaty
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+124
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+and they didn't talk about money they just say we want to do this we want to do this we want to do this
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+125
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+if there is the money for this so and this makes it absolutely complicated since it's also not
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+126
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+clear again where they put their priorities to and also it's not clear where the money should come
+
+127
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+for so it could be easy for them to say for like every topic they have in the coalition treaty
+
+128
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+yes always sorry we don't have the money and this is again on other countries they put in this
+
+129
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+very important sentence that I would also like to highlight because this is like this is
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+130
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+saying that will define the whole work of this coalition is to sentence if we have the money for it
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+131
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+and I find this very fascinating because this puts a lot of power to define an actual ministry
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+132
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+you're not only to the financial ministry but it's pretty clear that there will be huge discussions
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+133
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+between the ministry itself right so it's not then that the ministry of finance just distributed
+
+134
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+to the money as he likes but there will be also discussions between the ministry the ministry of
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+135
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+economics the fight the ministry of environment for simply for resources and this also means that
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+there is a completely new ministry as you at in the beginning right this ministry of digital things
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+137
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+let's say it like this so it's also not I have you don't know the name exactly yeah
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+138
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+it's a country yeah so let's say the digital ministry so we don't know the name we don't know who is
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+139
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+going to run it and even worse we don't know the scope of this ministry so and it's also pretty
+
+140
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+unclear how much power it will have how important it will be and how strong they can fight or defend
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+topics they work on so this is all very unclear at the moment and this is also where we
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+142
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+have huge debate or whether it's the huge debate and I mean you can pretty much compare with the
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+143
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+this German Bundestag so there two terms ago they introduced the committee for digital affairs
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+144
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+so where they want to discuss digital topics in a specific committee but this was not a leading
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+145
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+committee but just like a consulting committee so it didn't have the needed power to really
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+146
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+have a stance on digital topics so they have been absolute expert in this committee and they
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+147
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+talked about the right things I think however they didn't have the power to make that much change
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+also there was a missing ministry on the other hand this is now added I think that's a good thing
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+149
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+so that we have basically in the parliament a committee and we are also on the other hand have a
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+ministry also again if we then look at the U.P. level we have a commissioner for tax opportunities
+
+151
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+or also make sense to have a ministry in Germany that is so to say account the part to this so I
+
+152
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+think the time is now to come up with something like this that's for sure but it's absolutely unclear
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+153
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+how strong this ministry will be what the scope and accept the person and this also something important
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+154
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+you need somebody who is not only coming with the needed knowledge but also with the engagement
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+155
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+and power to come up with change and so therefore it's difficult to say at the minute where all of
+
+156
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+this will end and land at one point and as you said on the other hand we have this issue of
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+157
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+finding things all of this and so it's the worst case is that we end up with these nice words but
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+then they say we are sorry there is no money but on the other hand I do believe that there's also
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+a huge pressure coming from other member states and the U.P. union also like from external partners
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+we see how important it is to have independent infrastructure we can rely on and the only
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+161
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+answer to this is setting up such infrastructure which is software and I also do believe that more
+
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+and more decision makers understand the need for software and I mean that this is basically the only
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+solution since they also and this is interesting they talk about open standards for example
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+and that they want to define them so and also they use words like indoor mobility,
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+165
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+U.P. in collaboration around software also we have some things on education that we talk about
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+166
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+resilience, digital sovereignty and all these words has been also used heavily in debate about
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+the attacks of our energy about like how we can independent from in particular external partners
+
+168
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+that are not coming from the U.P. union and how we can make sure that there is so to say proper
+
+169
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+U.P. in IT market so and if you look at all this description they come up so how this market
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+should look like and and how for example public administrations should use IT then you can only
+
+171
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+come up with the is the saying that this is only possible with software or so you can't have an
+
+172
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+interoperable U.P. in administrations so to say without Free Software so since you always want
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+into close standards you run into vendor not in if you don't use Free Software so if you
+
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+as you are as we have seen in the past using this proper territory solution so then you are stuck
+
+175
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+and you can't collaborate you can't be interoperable and for this so even if they don't
+
+176
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+precisely talk about Free Software open source they want to collaborate they want to be
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+interoperable and this I say is only possible with Free Software and this is then also something
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+where we as Free Software community need to step in and make sure that this is reflected once they
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+start working on this so they give us also some ideas some things where they want to
+
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+for example collaborate on U.P. in level on this on this stack so there are some some ideas
+
+181
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+some are called one stack a U.S. stack then we have national stacks so in the coalition treaty
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+182
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+they talk about a German stack but they also recognize that it's absolutely meaningless to do this
+
+183
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+in silos but to collaborate on this and this collaboration so to come up with a U.P. in stack
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+where member states and different actors, private and public actors contribute to such a stack
+
+185
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+this could only be done with the software since the four freedoms to use study share and improve
+
+186
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+allow this collaboration any other property thing wouldn't allow this wouldn't allow
+
+187
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+interoperability and therefore the path could only be Free Software solution to work with and it's on
+
+188
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+the other hand important for us to to discuss this things we also see other discussions happening
+
+189
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+on the U.P. in the moment that are coming with slogans like by European or things like this
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+190
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+which is also a something in particular if you look at the software market or not over there
+
+191
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+the Free Software market there is nothing like a national IT right so our IT is global
+
+192
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+it was global it will remain global so else we can't run our infrastructure without open standards
+
+193
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+we wouldn't have the internet for example and this is then also true for every other system so we
+
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+need to have open standards and for interoperability and collaboration we need a global approach
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+195
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+however if you look at the market you will also see that in in particular if you invest in
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+196
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+Free Software you will often end up with SMEs and if you procure in Europe Free Software you will
+
+197
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+also most likely end up with European SMEs so you don't need this slogan by European if you say
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+we want to invest in Free Software and that's something where I fear that decision makers
+
+199
+00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,480
+haven't understood this correctly at the moment but this is then something we need to work on
+
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+and the term in the next term in the next four years on the national level but also on a European level
+
+201
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+to make clear that if you want to have like a European stack where the European commission
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+202
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+together with the member states collaborate on such a solution that this is only possible with
+
+203
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+software and if you do this you will also most likely end up with a lot of European SMEs which
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+just then also good for the European market but also we have spill over effect in the topics
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+205
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+the coalition treaty also talks about namely skills resilient consumers since they then will get
+
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+also the tools which are developed for public administration and can reuse them for example
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+in the civil society organizations but also this is what I highlighted in a Bundestag theory in December
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+think about fire fighters think about hospitals they also need infrastructure and we should also
+
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+give them resilient infrastructure and not a proprietary software coming from non-European countries
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+absolutely absolutely so to put a phrase on this all there are a lot of possibilities basically
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+for Free Software industry but none of it is yet sure and it's definitely a task for the
+
+212
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+digital civil society to take a careful eye on this to watch this and to see what actually
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+happening and to also push for Free Software. Absolutely we can feed the coalition treaty as a
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+starting point to fight for goals like public money public code to fight for funding and
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+publicly discuss in a recent podcast together but also to make sure that educational resources or
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+that education in general has an eye on Free Software and that all of these words like
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+interoperability and so on and so forth are filled with Free Software so these are the tasks so
+
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+even if they are just a few mentions of the term open source in the coalition treaty there are
+
+219
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+still many other points where if you read it correctly you the answer could only be Free Software
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+and this is what we need to make sure that decision makers understand if you want to have
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+digital sovereignty you can only do this with Free Software as exchange to the
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+nature of the free ones and that will be the most challenging task in the next four years and then
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+I've metly putting money to this. Yes this of course I also have another question now
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+not I found really interesting the recently had as symposium for public money public code
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+and a lot of people were invited to this and a lot of people showed up what is your feeling
+
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+currently is the understanding of Free Software and especially to need to invest public money
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+in public code what's your feeling there how is this moving ahead and how is it going and what
+
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+are the latest happenings here yeah so with this event public money public code in practice we
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+brought together mainly local administrations regional administrations with players from national
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+level and civil society to discuss how we can collaborate and how we can learn from collaboration
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+of others how we can network what is already out there where we can build on and I think this is
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+all to something which we can reuse for the next four years so as the coalition to it it talks
+
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+about public and private collaboration I also do believe that we should have the layer of civil
+
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+society to this and research since there is already also a lot of experience on how to collaborate
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+on and yeah using a strategies and ideas as proof print and this is something we need to make
+
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+way more use out of it so the benefit of using Free Software is that we don't have to reinvent the
+
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+wheel and this is not only true for the code itself but also for processes and how we get there
+
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+so in this is something where we I think waste a lot of resources since public administrations from
+
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+time to time try to yeah or are used to work in silos and they have to adapt their workflows,
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+their style of working towards a way more collaborative attitude and this is something where we
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+here I think this was shown in this symposium that there is already a lot out there which we can
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+pace so how well all of this is already established in some areas and for us it's important
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+that we shed light on these actors that has been always disrespectful and that we learn from them
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+and I do believe that this symposium brought together these people and shed some light on this
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+and this is something what we learned we need more and not only in Germany but also in
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+other member states and we need to make sure that these people interact and I think that will be
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+also key for the next five or four years depending on the Europe Germany is to make sure that
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+the actors that want to get active collaborate talk to each other and learn from each other
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+and in this regard these events help and this is also something where I do believe that
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+some money should go so if we talk about resources we do not only talk about technical
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+solution in the end we should always also look at the community around and this community I
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+do not necessarily mean the community we talk about but also the community's other talks about so
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+if you look for example at the center of digital reality their community is mainly companies
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+why so they need to bring together different companies that had to develop this open desk solution
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+if you look at Munich for example they collaborate with consul which is a tool which allows
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+participation for citizens and here they came up with a sponsorship since this is a foundation
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+and since you can't easily procure from them and this is also something we learn so
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+other than classical procurement procedures we need also to go other ways to work together with
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+the different communities and to come up with good solutions and it's not like that we if you
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+I don't know go on a market for chairs or something like this you just go there by the best chair
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+and then pull stop right so and you have right basically one vendor you talk to and then this is good
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+but if you talk about Free Software you can't just go to a market and procure something
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+sometimes you have to come up with other solutions you have to think about sponsorship you have to
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+think about giving the nation or just like a small amount of money into communities
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+to make something happen so and this needs a rethinking and for this rethinking we should learn
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+from strategies of others who already had good experience with this and where we don't have to
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+reinvent the wheel so to say not in the IT itself but in how we collaborate with the Free Software
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+ecosystem and this is something where the symposium shed a lot of light on and where we basically
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+where there was also a lot of agreement that you need to go other paths of collaboration
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+yeah that we know from the past for the fact all right that sounds very interesting and like
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+something we should have visited yeah so but we try to do more of these kind of events and also
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+I mean we have around public money public code it's easy to to get around and to like learn what
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+we are doing in this area and to collaborate with us so yeah join us in these kind of events
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+contribute to this and also do believe that this is something more or less everyone can do so
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+if you talk about Free Software it's not that much anymore that you need to explain people
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+the concept of Free Software but whether or not like that there is way more than code and
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+I mean we also have seen this with the corona tracing at the very site so
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+ultimately it was not that much about the code it was about the different communities that came
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+together to come up with a ultimately technical solution yeah but it was not only technically
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+people coming together and this is something what we can learn and more for that one absolutely so
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+and this is basically where we are today and what we need to explain so if you talk about
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+European interoperability we should not talk about technical communities coming together
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+but communities that are needed to come up with a good solution no in regard to who was there
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+at this symposium I would love to talk a bit more about Sanders because Sanders is also mentioned
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+in the coalition treaty and there has been the first personal decision made there can you
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+shed some light on yeah so this is basically the first very sad story also this is also
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+a bit strange so to say so during this event we we had the CEO of the Center of the Children's
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+Organities of the 10th and 30th of a limited in German and Jutta Horstmann she also gave a very good
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+keynote and she also was on the panel with us discussing all of these questions I was just
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+referring to and now she was removed from this position just the very next day after our symposium
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+so we do believe that there is no direct connection to what she was saying there
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+I do have some but I mean in general we yeah just learn about this the very next day after
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+she was at our event that yeah she was removed from this position or to there is not anyone
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+new to be assigned to this position and also it was a bit unclear why she was removed so there
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+has been statements from the Ministry of Interior who basically sent the CEO to this
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+Center of the Children's Organities and they were just saying like since we need to re-structure
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+we need to remove her which as we then go back to the beginning of this podcast doesn't make too
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+much sense since he still don't know the scope of everything right so and I doubt that the
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+Ministry of Interior is the one who comes up with the cabinet and will learn about how all of these
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+structure will look like so it rather looks like that they yeah use this moment to all by the
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+remove people that are not fully in line with what they are planning to do and this definitely
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+fears us so I think Jutta has done a very good job the University of the Children's Organities
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+she was also in the hearing in the German Bundestag explaining all the challenges that the
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+Center is facing at the moment however what we learn is that the new to the new formed Ministry
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+of the Children's whatever and so it's going to the Conservatives so the city will and since Jutta was
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+also a Queen Party member it might be that it was rather a political decision but what's happening
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+here then one based on what she has done and what she was planning to do so and in this regard we
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+definitely fear that Jutta will be replaced by someone who's not that much of an expert so we didn't
+
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+learn from from today on who will be the new person or the new CEO for for tennis and this
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+also looks a bit to me that it was a rather a very quick decision that was taken then a very
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+reflected decision and in particular as a such an important topic we also need stable decisions
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+we need a continuation of things rather than people politics and power politics so and here it will
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+be definitely interesting to see if this change of the of the CEO position will also then
+
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+00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:17,600
+automatically come with changes in structures so until now we didn't learn anything about it
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+and also who's who's the next CEO of tennis and what will be the priorities of this person
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+so and for us it's important that we continue the good path that the tennis continues the
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+good collaboration they already started this European partner I think that something that they
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+just recently kicked off so that they are not working in the silo but that they collaborate not only
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+with in Germany with several public administrations on several levels what they are already
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+doing but that they also collaborate this European partner I think that's very important
+
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+and here we need to make sure that they don't lose ground and that they don't lose power
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+that they get the needed resources and also that they still do this good Free Software work
+
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+and that they don't start open motion so because this is also something we fear so if you go
+
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+through the coalition treaty and if you see a set is by European initiatives
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+00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,480
+the auto fear that there will be a lot of open motion around this and this is also why we need to
+
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+be still active in our watchdog roads this is a short break for our own cause thank you for
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+listening to the software feed-in podcast working for software feed-in and producing podcasts
+
+331
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+cost money please consider supporting us with a donation on the fsfe.org/donate
+
+332
+00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:48,640
+and then the show knows and this is also why we need to be still active in our watchdog roads
+
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+we have seen this with data port phoenix back in the days in Germany so the very first attempt to
+
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+come up with a so-called open source solution for public administrations we have eaten
+
+335
+00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:06,240
+checked for the licenses and figured out that this is not really open source what they are doing
+
+336
+00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:13,760
+but rather open motion so we hope we don't have to do this for for other solutions that the
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+German government so to say is coming up for so but that we make sure that this is really
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+Free Software what they are coming up with and that they continue the good past they just started
+
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+and that these ambitious goals that it needs to be set up are really ambitious and not watered
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+down in any way or that they end up with doing power politics and discussing people instead of
+
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+topics so this is something we need to make sure in this regard so this very first decision
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+basically so to remove yourself from this position was what's very strange to say
+
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+yeah absolutely I absolutely can understand especially in light that as you already mentioned
+
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+we do not really know what will be happening and we will only find us out doing the
+
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+coalition of those three parties and doing the formation of the German government so
+
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+it's really curious to see what what are the next steps what is the scope that will be there
+
+347
+00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,120
+for the digital ministry and also how Free Software will stand be as Free Software
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+foundation Europe and especially you will probably pay a lot of attention there is this correct
+
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+can we say this to our listeners that you will be there and you will watch that
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+yes absolutely also I will do this together with my colleague Johannes who is also very
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+actively working in Germany on all of these topics so and we also organized this symposium in
+
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+in essence Germany on the public money public code topic again and he also follows a lot
+
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+the topic of open washing he also already gave a lot of talks on this so he is also an absolute expert
+
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+on this so and in this regard also that this is a continuous call to our community if you see
+
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+these cases of open washing or if you see any cases where you say well this is against the
+
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+goals of the software foundation Europe or the Free Software ecosystem let us know right
+
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+of the email to contact us if it is or reach out for us directly on social networks or when
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+we are on conferences so help us to shed light on on these topics so because this also helps us
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+explaining and the issues to decision makers and making sure that they come up with these ambitious
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+goals that are really contributing to a Free Software ecosystem and not something which is
+
+361
+00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:48,800
+like basically open wash Alex thank you so much for your work thank you so much for your time here
+
+362
+00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,400
+in the podcast and explaining the truth to us walking us through there this was really enlightening
+
+363
+00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:01,440
+thank you very much thank you also thank you to our listeners for listening to this software
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+freedom podcast episode this was the software freedom podcast if you like this episode please
+
+365
+00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,800
+recommend it to your friends and write it stay tuned for more inspiring conversations that
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+explore the importance of software freedom and its impact on our digital life this podcast is
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+presented to you by the Free Software foundation Europe we are a charity that works on promoting
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+software freedom if you like our work please consider supporting us with the nation
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+we depend on your support you find more information under fsfe.org/donate thank you so
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+much bye bye
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LLW 2025, “unperfect” discussions around Free Software in a legal environment

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The Free Software
+Legal & Licensing Workshop convened once again, this time in Essen, 
+bringing together over 100 legal and compliance
+professionals, technologists, and policy experts from across the globe.
+The 2025 edition delved into the evolving
+legal landscapes impacting Free Software, with a particular focus on
+Artificial Intelligence and cybersecurity.

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Some member of the FSFE team during LLW25
 
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The FSFE’s Free
+Software Legal & Licensing Workshop (LLW), is a a two and a half
+day conference for members of the Legal Network community to
+meet face-to-face and share legal expertise. Once again, this conference
+emphasized the importance of fostering a collaborative environment where
+professionals can share insights, debate complex issues, and build a
+cohesive understanding of the legal landscape affecting Free
+Software.​

+
Set in the creative and collaborative atmosphere of Unperfekthaus, a vibrant cultural hub in
+the heart of Essen (Germany), participants engaged in in-depth discussions on
+current topics in the Free Software sphere. These conversations extended
+beyond traditional legal and licensing concerns to include the broader
+policy landscape, where emerging regulations increasingly shape the way
+Free Software is developed, distributed, and maintained. 

+
For instance, the intersection between law and policy proved
+especially relevant in sessions addressing pressing issues such as the
+EU’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the EU Cyber Resilience Act
+(CRA) and the licensing of AI technologies.

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Participants discussed the impact of interoperability policies
+imposed by large corporations like Apple on smaller Free Software
+developers and how this relates to the litigation
+efforts conducted by the FSFE.

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With the CRA being one of the most impactful laws on Free Software
+these days, there were also several discussions dedicated to
+understanding compliance,legal enforcement, and further policy
+development of the law. 

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+
Topics concerning export control, licensing for hardware and
+software, tools for compliance automation and community governance were
+also debated in detail. 

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+
AI remains a topic of interest, and the participants engaged in
+discussion related to the definition of Free Software AI, the relevance
+of data for licensing, as well as challenges for the enforcement of the
+AI Act.

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Continuing its commitment to nurturing emerging legal talent, this
+year the LLW also organized a mentorship program, which started with a
+breakfast meetup before the official kick off of the conference, so that
+experienced legal professionals acting as mentors were able to meet with
+newcomers to the industry and the conference in an informal environment,
+before the talks stated. The mentorship program is aimed at new members
+of the Legal Network.

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Feedback from attendees was positive, with many highlighting the
+value of face-to-face interactions and the depth of knowledge shared
+during the sessions. One participant noted, "The LLW remains an
+unparalleled forum for tackling the pressing legal questions of our time
+in the Free Software domain."​

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+
The FSFE extends its gratitude to all participants and sponsors,
+whose support made LLW 2025 possible: Red Hat, Amazon, Microsoft,
+Siemens Bosch, Ericsson, GitHub, Intel, Eclipse Foundation Heuking,
+Liferay, Open Invention Network, and The Linux Foundation.

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The Legal
+Network is a neutral, non-partisan group of experts in different
+fields involved in Free Software legal issues. Currently the Legal
+Network has over 400 participants from different legal systems, academic
+backgrounds and affiliations. 

+
The aim of the Legal Network is to promote discussion and foster
+better knowledge of the legal constructs that back Free Software. The
+conversations on the Legal Network are intended to be dynamic,
+thought-provoking, and up to speed with the most recent developments.
+

+
The Legal Network serves as an open platform to promote legal
+knowledge about Free Software so that companies can make strategic
+decisions about Free Software development based on an understanding of
+how Free Software licensing and other related legal issues work. This
+allows Free Software developers and legal professionals who work within
+larger companies to continue to contribute to software freedom. 

+
Admission to
+the Legal Network is restricted, and the discussions held there are
+confidential. Nevertheless, this does not mean that the content of the
+mailing list is contained away from the larger Free Software community.
+The Chatham
+House Rule applies to all discussions on the Legal Network mailing
+list and at Legal Network events, which enables members to use the
+information received, but not to reveal the identity nor the affiliation
+of the speaker or any of the participants involved in the discussion.
+

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+		News
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+		Legal
+		Legal Licensing Workshop
+		Licensing
+		Germany
+		Digital Markets Act
+		Cyber Resilience Act
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+A group of diverse people, male and female, sitting on the edge of 
+a stage with a slide with the LLW25 donors on the background and a LLW 
+roll up on the right side and a FSFE roll up on the left side 
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